SMOKINCHOICES (and other musings)

January 28, 2015

Stop Grand Juries 4 cop shootings

Police shootings are handled differently

by John Lytle in ‘Letters to the Editor @ COLUMBUS DISPATCH

There has been much discussion recently about how grand juries treat cases of police shootings of citizens. People wonder how there could be no indictments in the Eric Garner death in New York and the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, Mo.

I have been a grand juror twice in Franklin County, (Columbus, OH) and each time we were presented with a police-involved shooting.

The grand jury generally meets Monday through Friday, ending about noon on Friday. For normal criminal cases, the prosecutor presents enough evidence, including witnesses, to show the grand jurors that the accused might have committed a crime and should be indicted.

If there will be a police-involved shooting case that afternoon, when the grand jurors would normally be going home, they are told on Friday morning that they will not be going home. In these cases, in contrast with normal criminal cases, the prosecutor presents what happened and allows a police representative or some other witness to explain why the shooting was justified and why the officer should not be indicted.

Both times, it seemed that the prosecutor was not trying to obtain an indictment. It might be that this process is how it should work; police probably should be held to a different standard than ordinary citizens. However, I think all citizens should know that this is how the process works . . . . so they can draw informed conclusions.

JOHN LYTLE January 4, 2015

( My life being as full as I can tolerate,  I generally don’t spend much time reading the letters to the Editors in our Columbus Dispatch.  In this case, I’m very glad I did because I am grateful when anyone can add useful, relevant information we can all use.  

I very much value and respect almost everyone who serves the common good especially police officers who lay it on the line every day. . . they are all heroes!  Not an easy life, to be sure.  Always have, still do and hopefully, always will, so my gripe is not with these valiant people who wear blue.  It is with those who set policy, make the decisions, are lax or serve with blind eyes.   

And since when did prosecutors get to be the judge and jury and single overseer of how justice is practiced and decide what select pieces of information the grand jury is allowed to hear?  This is something far too many of us have suspected.  Being rational people, we on average do try not to believe in all those conspiratorial theories, but come on, when the problem keeps going on and seems to be getting worse and more and more prevalent. . .AND  they are getting away with this injustice over and over again,  somebody has to speak up and for Gawd’s sake — demand why something isn’t being done.  

What is happening now is bitter, racist, defies logic and certainly does not equate to equal justice under the law.  It’s long past time to stop this charade. . . lets start looking “UP THE LADDER”  to where decisions are being made and how,  and give much thought to how to change all of it!  When murder is done, no matter who does it — it should go to trial!  That is not to say police men and women aren’t fully entitled to their internal organization’s  procedures and protections. . . no one wants anyone railroaded.  But neither can we tolerate this ongoing  black genocide in America.            This is me — standing on a roof top and screaming as loud as I can.            Jan)

January 25, 2015

Evils of sugar — PROOF

INSULIN Research proves sugar consumption  

increases  risk for Chronic disease  — learn how

and why  from icon Dr. Robert Lustig

Emerging facts issued from the bowels of truth  revealing “Science” in all her beauty and simplicity, are stripped down to understandable  language from the person of Dr Robert Lustig,  Professor of Pediatric Endocrinology of the University of California – San Francisco.  He is no stranger to us for he is a leader in scientific thought and has a seeming personal drive  to ensure the public become aware so they CAN take charge of their lives and reclaim their health.   

Since nutrition and its dominant influence  in our lives together with intelligent utilization therein,  is not even taught in Medical Schools (with rare minimalist exceptions) – – this subject remains under clouded,  if not disdained judgement in accepted medical circles;   in other words you can’t get it from your usual doctor for he DOESN’T KNOW. . never learned it.

In  my opinion, this is one of the most important posts to ever grace  “smokinchoices” and I am grateful to our (frequent resource) – Dr Mercola.   Tho we have heard from Dr Lustig before, this message is new and unique and packs a dynamic wallop from which we can all benefit, because we need it.   Jan

Story at-a-glance

  • Evidence clearly shows that refined sugar is a primary factor causing not just obesity, but also chronic yet preventable disease
  • In one clinical trial, test subjects who consumed high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) developed higher risk factors for cardiovascular disease in just two weeks
  • On average, sugar makes up 15 percent of total calories consumed. Overloading your liver with more sugar than it can safely metabolize leads to chronic metabolic disease

Magnetically Attracts Heart Disease in as Little as 2

It kills you slowly… yet you probably embrace it openly. Single-handedly causes a sluggish metabolism, cancer, diabetes, heart disease, and Alzheimer’s… with causation strongly proven. And this is the worst type of all, causing the most harm in the least time…

Eggshells good 4 birds

Wild Things

Eggshells beneficial to birds

 by Cindy Decker

If you open my oven right now, an eggshell might tumble out.

OK, in truth, if you open my oven pretty much anytime, an eggshell might tumble out.
The oven is a repository for a pie pan brimming with the shells from uncounted breakfasts and “brinners” (breakfast for dinner).   The shells are for the birds.

When we cook, my husband and I stash the shells in the oven until we get a generous pile — enough to justify turning on the oven to sterilize them.  We bake the shells at 250 degrees for 20 minutes, then grind them into small bits that we add to bird food.

  • The shells aid birds in several ways: The grit helps with digestion , and the extra calcium supports good health.

“Birds ‘chew’ their food in the muscular part of their stomach, the gizzard,” explains FeederWatch, a project of the Cornell Lab of Ornithology.
“To aid in the grinding, birds swallow small, hard materials such as sand, small pebbles, ground eggshells and ground oyster shells.”

In addition, the shells supply calcium, necessary for the health of individual birds but also the strength of their eggs.

  • Although my husband and I mix the ground shells with birdseed and into peanut butter cakes, some experts say the birds appreciate the shells by themselves.

“You can crumble them into bite-sized bits and spread them on a patch of bare ground, a rock, a platform feeder or your deck railing,” wrote Evan Dorsky on the Bird Watcher’s Digest website. “You may find they’re so popular, you’ll need to go to your favorite diner to beg for more!”

Because neighborhood cats think our feeders are prime hunting ground, we try not to lure birds to the soil.

However you decide to deliver the shells, be sure to sterilize them so that you don’t spread salmonella to wild birds.

Rinse the shells before setting them aside to be baked, and they won’t smell while they await baking.

Cindy Decker, At Home editor, writes about native gardening.

(Really good stuff to know. . .especially if you enjoy giving help where it is needed)

January 24, 2015

Documentary – vaccine reactions

(New this day from our ‘Guardian at the gate’,   Dr Mercola.  Well done, affects us all, not just the kiddies)

Catastrophic Vaccine Reactions


Story at-a-glance

  • The documentary “Shots in the Dark” delves into vaccine toxicity and possible explanations for catastrophic vaccine reactions
  • Some individuals appear to be unable to rid their bodies of toxic vaccine ingredients, making them especially vulnerable to brain inflammation, autoimmune reactions and neurological damage
  • Money from the powerful drug lobby dominating Capitol Hill makes it virtually impossible for citizens to effect positive change around government vaccination policy


MORE Dangerous Than Mercury? You May Be Getting It When You Say “Yes” to This
It’s just one of the toxic compounds, along with mercury itself, that’s found in this commonly recommended procedure. But don’t expect your doctor or pediatrician to tell you about it… there’s too much at stake.


Humanure, great if U can do it!

HUMANURE  —  Living a Zero Waste Lifestyle


Humanure – Living a Zero Waste Lifestyle

(TRFW News) We live in a world that likes to dispose a lot of things, including clothes, paper, plastics, and even food. The landfills are rising; cars and harmful chemicals are polluting the environment, yet we still waste a lot of things even when there are recycling bins.

One question I pose is this: Is it possible to live a waste-free life – or very nearly so? Apparently, there are people in this world that have been successful with this. One lady proves this to us by only producing only a mere quart of waste in 2014! (1)

Zero Waste Home

Bea Johnson, a native from France and currently resides in Mills Valley, California, have been living a waste-free life along with her family members. She’s a zero-waste expert and provides consulting to those who want to learn. (1)

This lifestyle influenced a young lady from New York, Lauren, who was an Environmental Studies major at New York University (NYU). She says her transition wasn’t quick. In fact, it took her about a year and it took a lot of effort to make this happen. (2)

The humanure handbook

The environmentally-friendly humanure sanitation toilets are designed to collect human waste; including fecal and urine together, along with carbon cover material in order to achieve an odor-free, heat-producing organic mass called thermophilic. This hygienically safe process destroys pathogenic organisms to create a final product that is suitable for growing food. (3,4)

A study was done to look at various humanure systems in the United States and explains how the detailed process works. In summary, there are three components involved:

  1. Toilet – simply a collection device.
  2. Cover material – carbon-based material that effectively eliminates odors and flies.
  3. Compost bins – collected in an aerobic, thermophilic manner that is not accessible to outside contamination. (4)

Other countries are doing it too

People are doing this method throughout the United States; however, the handbook explains that it’s not for everyone since proper management is required. An interesting fact is that it is effective in countries where human waste is a problem. (4,5)

A village in Santo Village, Leogane, Haiti has successfully utilized the humanure and noticed a significant improvement. They formerly used a commercial dry toilet system for sanitation purposes, but failed due to the breeding of flies, maggots, and foul odor. When this was replaced with a compost toilet system, flies and odors were completely removed. The best part of all is that they were able to create tons of high-quality compost for the villagers to re-use! (5)

Why should you consider it?

Huge amounts of nutrients are wasted when we excrete waste and become pollution to the natural waterways. All of this can be avoided by utilizing this compost operation that is safe and provides rich fertilization for your gardens. (4,6)

As the former NYU college student tells us, her life has improved by saving money, eating better, and feeling happier because she has simplified her life and is helping the environment. (2)

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(My comment:  
Had never heard of this, but I’m so impressed.  What a stunningly terrific “Green” thing to do.  Helping your budget,  feeding your gardens and plants with humanure  which has to be certainly the most expensive and nourishing thing to do for the plants (and hopefully, home-grown food-stuff).   All while diminishing our carbon foot-print which is harming our planet.  
Love it!  But have to admit, I’m not going to do it.  Have been looking for ways to cut back on all the things I feel I need to do in order to just keep on keepin’ on.  .  so can’t take on anything new.   This could be a movement starting here – – or should be.  Why not give it a look?. . . . just sayin’                 . Jan )

January 22, 2015

Church w/ different agenda

Church stops lesbian’s funeral


   A church stopped the funeral for a Colorado lesbian minutes after it had begun on Saturday because there were pictures of her sharing intimate moments with her wife.  

Now, the incident has made national headlines, and friends, family and the LGBT community are protesting.  

New Hope Ministries in the Denver suburb of Lakewood stopped the service for 33-year-old Vanessa Collier because there were pictures that clearly showed she was a lesbian, which the church asked to be edited out, said Christina Higley, Collier’s wife.  

“Her services were refused because we would not let New Hope Ministries ‘edit’ her life, which was a slide show of our family photos including our engagement and family photos of her and I with our two children!” Higley wrote in a Face-book post.   Collier died on Dec. 29. The cause of death is unclear.  

Jose Silva, a family friend, said that those in attendance, about 150, were forced to immediately move everything, including Collier’s casket, and finish the service at a funeral home across the street.   While the family was thankful the venue was available, it was not big enough to accommodate everyone, so some attendees could not be in the room as the service was conducted, Silva said.   New Hope Ministries declined to comment, and the number given for an outside spokesman on the matter was not in service.   David Campanella, area director for Newcomer Funeral Home, confirmed that the church wanted certain pictures edited out and the family refused, so the service was abruptly moved.   The funeral home has no connection to the church, Campanella said. He declined to comment further about the incident.  

A large group of supporters of the family protested outside New Hope Ministries on Tuesday. According to the Facebook post for the protest, created in part by Silva, New Hope Ministries has yet to refund the family’s money for the service.

My Comment:    

It’s true we cannot legislate bigotry, hatred and/or tacky behavior . . . but our laws do proclaim we are all equal under the law.  So I am quite sure that what goes around will come around even in  Denver,  Colorado  at the New Hope Ministries.  

I have never seen such extremely bad behavior conducted by any church, especially for such a grievous, sensitive occasion.  It is almost beyond belief that a church – any church could interfere with a communal ceremony in the presence of loved ones, friends and the clergy to interfere with the send-off of a newly departed on their eternal journey after being organized and paid for.  

Not for me to judge,  just a fellow traveler along the path. . .there’s  more sophisticated minds capable of such things.  Jan

Epic Flu Failure

This is from Dr Mercola with another update from Barbara Lowe Fisher which ties in beautifully with the prior post which is so upsetting.  We are all upset with having to fight to protect our American rights – most especially, that of choice!      Did something change?. . .  surely we are still FREE  AMERICANS?      Jan

Another Epic Fail for Influenza Vaccine

Story at-a-glance

  • In the past three flu seasons, the CDC rated the flu vaccine’s overall effectiveness between 47 and 62 percent; some experts have measured it at 0 to 7 percent
  • When children get a flu shot every year, it can interfere with healthy immune responses and make them more likely to get influenza in certain flu seasons
  • If you got a flu shot this year, it does not protect you from the most common influenza A subtype making people sick


It Hasn’t Worked Yet, Why Will Millions Risk Their Health on

Research shows it not only fails to work, it can actually increase your risk of different strains of the disease it’s meant to stop. And the latest developments are bloodcurdling, potentially allowing the viruses to multiply to higher levels than ever…

January 21, 2015

Your Flu shot? 23% Effective!

Public health

Flu shot seen as just 23% effective


 NEW YORK — This year’s flu vaccine is doing a pretty crummy job. It’s only 23 percent effective, which is one of the worst performances in the past decade, according to a government study released yesterday.  

The poor showing is primarily because the vaccine doesn’t include the bug that is making most people sick, health officials say. In the past decade, flu vaccines at their best were 50 to 60 percent effective.   “This is an uncommon year,” said Dr. Alicia Fry, a flu-vaccine expert at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who was involved in the study.  

The findings are not surprising, though. In early December, CDC officials in Atlanta warned that the vaccine probably wouldn’t work very well because it isn’t well-matched to a strain that’s been spreading widely.  

Each year, the flu vaccine is reformulated based on experts’ best guess about which three or four strains will be the biggest problem. Those decisions usually are made in February, months before the flu season, to give companies that make flu shots and nasal-spray vaccine enough time to make doses.  

But this year’s formula didn’t include the strain of H3N2 virus that ended up causing about two-thirds of the illnesses this winter. And that strain tends to cause more hospitalizations and deaths, particularly in the elderly, making it a particularly bad winter to have a problem with the flu vaccine.  

Indeed, the flu season is shaping up to a bad one. Health officials are comparing it to the nasty flu season two winters ago, and this one might prove to be worse. Hospitalization rates in people 65 or older are higher than they were at the same point in the 2012-13 season, according to CDC data.   The results from the preliminary study weren’t large enough to show how the vaccine is working in each age group, although flu vaccines traditionally don’t work as well in elderly people.

The study involved 2,321 people in five states   — Michigan, Pennsylvania, Texas, Wisconsin and Washington — who had respiratory illnesses from November to early January. The researchers said vaccinated people had a 23 percent lower chance of winding up at the doctor with the flu.   CDC officials say people still should get a flu shot this year. Recently, the flu season in the United States has peaked in January or February, but people can continue to get sick for months. And they could get infected by the flu strains that were included in this year’s version.

(With all the poor results of the of these flu vaccines, it is beyond me why people continue to accept them.  I knew from my first attempt [which was also my last], to protect myself in expectation of the hype I had heard, that it did not do what was said – protect me.  Not too long afterward, I got the flu. I saw it as iffy if not an outright hoax.  And lo, these decades later. . . haven’t learned anything  to change my mind.    
But over the years I HAVE seen the damage of vaccination (no matter what it is for) which follows the injection of these so-called preventive measures to the human body;  most especially to the immune system which becomes weakened and often disabled in it’s valiant fight to protect the body from any and all assaults.   The toxic components within the shots seriously maim the function of immunity but also can impair the brain and central nervous system, sacrificing one’s fulfillment for a healthy life.  People have been duped by those whom they trust with their lives – – their doctors. Harassment is endless with prominent people on TV and other media to guilt everyone to get these shots. . . and with each shot, a further assault;  then we wonder why our brains are breaking down.  
Well, we DO have ‘free choice,’ they say.  One might question that.   Looks like brain-washing to me.    Jan)


January 18, 2015

Heirloom Seeds (4 those who get it)


Heirloom seed ready to order


Heirloom vegetables are old varieties kept alive by gardeners and farmers, often in isolated or ethnic communities.  

If you are interested in growing heirloom vegetables, now is the time to request them from the top seed houses before supply is exhausted.  

Their catalogs are packed with how-to information and tips to help you find success with their selections. Catalogs can be ordered online from the various websites, or gardeners can use the phone to call in a request.  

Here are some of the best catalogs.  

Baker Creek Heirloom Seed Co.  

This is a stunning catalog that borders on a gardening magazine. You’ll be amazed at how many varieties it carries, and the photography is inspiring. There are lots of good how-tos, as well as informative articles.   Request your catalog at   or by calling 417-924-8917.  

Seed Savers Exchange  

For centuries, local farmers have exchanged seeds of their own plant varieties to expand their diversity. In 1975, a nonprofit was formed on a global level to make it easy for gardeners to share their favorites.   Years later, Seed Savers Exchange became a traditional seed house, offering promising or unique discoveries.   Request a free full-color catalog at   or by calling 563-382-5990.  

Seeds of Change  

This was the first swanky color catalog to offer heirloom vegetables, and it remains a wonderful resource. Packed with helpful agronomics fact boxes and useful planning guide charts, it’s far more than a retail catalog.   Request a free catalog at   or by calling 1-888-762-7333.  

Other online sources for seed:  

Sustainable Seed Co.:   

Territorial Seed Co.:   (Northwest)  

The Cook’s Garden:   

Victory Seeds:

(For those of you lucky enough to have a protected area you can be sure will not be contaminated by the toxic sprays of professional  hired gardeners such as I must contend with in my apartment complex. . .this is a great way to go.   Nothing else at all could do more for your family’s health than growing your own food  — totally free of chemical fertilizers or starting with GMO seeds as one buys in regular nurseries.  

Imagine starting off a small plot in your own garden with Heirloom seeds.  Wish I could say that I’ll be joining you.   Jan)

January 17, 2015

Tanning beds? be aware

Public health

Too many ignoring tanning-bed danger

By Sabrina Tavernise • THE NEW YORK TIMES

TEQUESTA, Fla. — On their way home from an SAT tutoring session, the Van Dresser twins, Alexandra and Samantha, 17, popped into Tan Fever & Spa, a small, family-owned salon tucked into a strip mall between a bar and a supermarket. • They wanted to get tan before the prom, and the salon was the perfect combination of fast and cheap: Twenty minutes in a tanning bed cost only $7.

“It’s the quickness of the tanning bed,” Alexandra explained one afternoon last year. “We don’t have time to lay out on a beach.”

Indoor tanning might seem like a fashion that faded with the ’80s, but it remains a persistent part of American adolescence, popular in spring, summer and fall but especially in winter, when bodies are palest. Salons dot strip malls across the country, promising prettiness and, in some cases, better health, despite a growing body of evidence that links indoor tanning to skin cancer.

In Florida, there are more tanning salons than McDonald’s restaurants, CVS stores or Bank of America branches, according to a 2014 study by University of Miami researchers.

For decades, researchers saw indoor tanning as little more than a curiosity. But a review of the scientific evidence published last year estimated that tanning beds account for as many as 400,000 cases of skin cancer in the United States each year, including 6,000 cases of melanoma, the deadliest form. And clinicians are concerned about the incidence rate of melanoma in women younger than 40, which has risen by a third since the early 1990s, according to data from the National Cancer Institute. Death rates have not gone up, however, a testament to earlier detection and better treatment.

“We’re seeing younger and younger patients coming to us with skin cancer,” said Dr. Eleni Linos, assistant professor of dermatology at the University of California-San Francisco. “That is a new phenomenon.”
Last year, the surgeon general called on Americans to reduce their exposure to the sun and tanning beds to prevent skin cancer, and the Food and Drug Administration invoked its most serious risk warning, lifting tanning beds from a category that included Band-Aids to that of potentially harmful medical devices. The Obama administration’s 2010 health-care law imposed a little-noticed 10 percent tax on tanning salons.

And more than 40 states now have some sort of restriction on the use of tanning salons by minors, according to AIM at Melanoma, an advocacy and research group based in California, the first state to adopt a ban on minors in 2011. At least nine states plus the District of Columbia (pending congressional approval) have passed such bans, even Republican-controlled Texas, where antipathy to government regulation runs deep.
“The tide is turning,” said Samantha Guild, director of public policy at AIM. “States are saying: ‘We don’t have to go out on a limb on our own. There’s broad support for this issue.’”

For the first time, new federal data have documented a decline in the use of indoor tanning among teenage girls, dropping to about a fifth of them in 2013 from a quarter in 2009. Gery P. Guy Jr., a researcher with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who analyzed the data, which was released in December, attributed the decline to greater awareness and tougher laws.

Even so, public-health experts say tanning remains a persistent problem, especially among white teenage girls, a full third of whom say they have tanned indoors, more than the share who smoke cigarettes.

There were about 14,000 salons across the country as of early 2014, said John Overstreet, executive director of the Indoor Tanning Association. That does not count tanning beds in gyms and beauty parlors. The number is down about a fifth in recent years, he said, as the recession eroded young women’s disposable income and the tax imposed under the new health-care law squeezed salons’ profits.

Overstreet argues that there is no science that conclusively links moderate, nonburning ultraviolet-ray exposure to melanoma. His organization’s mission, according to its website, is “to protect the freedom of individuals to acquire a suntan.”   “The folks who don’t like this industry are exaggerating the risks,” he said, adding: “It’s just like anything in life. If you get too much of it, it’s bad for you.”

Evidence of the link between melanoma and ultraviolet exposure might have been inconclusive a decade ago, but recent research, including fresh data from the Cancer Genome Atlas, a federally funded program that is cataloging genetic mutations responsible for cancer, bolsters the case for the link.
Dr. Jeffrey E. Gershenwald, a leader of the melanoma Atlas project, said studies to date showed that a majority of melanomas initially arising on the skin contain mutations associated with ultraviolet exposure. As for burning, one recent study controlled for that, and still found an increased risk from indoor tanning.

“There’s no longer a question of whether UV is important,” said Gershenwald, medical director of the Melanoma and Skin Center at the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center. “Genomics has been transformative in our understanding of melanoma.”

The problem with indoor tanning, researchers say, is that many of those who do it do it a lot.

There is strong peer pressure to be tan, particularly in small-town high schools.

Sarah Hughes started tanning at 16, during beauty-pageant season in her hometown, Dothan, Ala. She often tanned five days a week, paying with money earned working at Pier 1 Imports. In her senior year, she got a job at a tanning salon so she could tan for free.

“Living in a small town in southern Alabama, you don’t want to be the oddball out,” said Hughes, who is now 30 and works as a loan processor in a bank.
Over time, she came to crave it.   “People did drugs. People had eating disorders. I tanned,” she said.

Hughes stopped tanning at 25 when a doctor diagnosed advanced melanoma. A tumor on her left leg had grown down into her muscle and, eventually, her lymph nodes. In all, she had 33 spots removed, including eight melanomas over two years, a searing experience.     She survived.

Brandi Dickey of Fort Worth, Texas, did not. Her mother, Paula Pittsinger, blames the near constant tanning from the age of 14 to 28, when she was found to have a particularly aggressive form of cancer that eventually spread to her brain. She died in October at 33 after 18 surgical procedures, including six on her brain. There was no history of melanoma in her family.

“When you see the impact, the brain surgeries, the scars, when you see what tanning has done, it has got to hit home that it’s just not worth it,” Pittsinger said.

Many young women said in interviews that tanning fed a craving to be pretty, at a time in life when it is most acute. Madison, 21, a student at the University of Rhode Island, said tanning made her feel “more confident and more comfortable when I walk around.”   “Sometimes, it makes me feel thinner,” she continued. “It has all these weird effects that just make me feel better about myself.”

She recently reduced her use to a few times a month, down from almost daily, honoring a request from her mother.
“I’d love to stop tanning but I can’t,” said Madison, who asked that her last name not be used. “Confidence is such a touchy aspect of a girl’s life. It takes a lot of time and practice. I’m just not there yet.”

  • The CDC’s national youth survey found that indoor tanning often goes along with binge drinking and unhealthy weight-control practices.

(Know anybody like that?    I do, . . .  tho I’m no one to judge — there are times in our lives that we all need a bit of help and maybe some, a little more.  It’s hard growing up and discovering who we really are.  And realizing that with every choice, there is a cost or consequence. . .just the way stuff works.   Sometimes, . .  so sad.     Jan)

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